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Finally have Studio and ICM apps working after figuring out a nice nugget where our cvp_dbuser on the reporting server had a "must change password at next login" and that was causng the servlet call to the reporting server to fail. I'm using bone stock Studio samples from the ops console examples. Call goes into CallbackEntry, and at the first Validate_01 throws an element error in the error log: 10.31.250.14.1361578511894.9.CallbackEntry,02/22/2013 18:15:12.315,A VoiceXML error occurred of type "error.com.cisco.callhandoff.failure". I am not able to program the gateway (single ingress and vxml combined), I'm having to rely on someone else to do that due to security (ugh). So does this error seem to indicate that it failed to retrieve what it needs from the gateway or possibly the gateway is not programmed correctly? Also one more question for now is this, the documentation says The
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element is responsible for adding a new caller to queue. This element must be executedfor all callers even if the caller may not be offered a callback. And I'm wondering why? If a call isn't going to do callback why can't I just use normal treatment on it, I have to use Studio apps now for my queue treatments and messages ? Since my Callback Entry fails I see the call makes it to CallbackQueue app and just sits there playing their default MOH configured in the app. Obviously we do lots of custom messages for callers who stay in queue, do I "have" to use a Studio VXML app to keep the call in queue once I go down this road of using CCB? Thanks, Bill.
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Bill,
First CCB is a difficult endeavor even more so in complex environments as your familiar with mine. But it sounds like your voice guy did not enable "signal forward unconditional" either on the CVP dial-peer or globally on your ingress VGA.
I have a lengthy write up on CCB I can share with you if you would like just shoot me an e-mail.
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Finally have Studio and ICM apps working after figuring out a nice nugget where our cvp_dbuser on the reporting server had a "must change password at next login" and that was causng the servlet call to the reporting server to fail. I'm using bone stock Studio samples from the ops console examples. Call goes into CallbackEntry, and at the first Validate_01 throws an element error in the error log: 10.31.250.14.1361578511894.9.CallbackEntry,02/22/2013 18:15:12.315,A VoiceXML error occurred of type "error.com.cisco.callhandoff.failure". I am not able to program the gateway (single ingress and vxml combined), I'm having to rely on someone else to do that due to security (ugh). So does this error seem to indicate that it failed to retrieve what it needs from the gateway or possibly the gateway is not programmed correctly? Also one more question for now is this, the documentation says The <strong><strong>Callback_Enter_Queue </strong></strong>element is responsible for adding a new caller to queue. This element must be executedfor all callers even if the caller may not be offered a callback. And I'm wondering why? If a call isn't going to do callback why can't I just use normal treatment on it, I have to use Studio apps now for my queue treatments and messages ? Since my Callback Entry fails I see the call makes it to CallbackQueue app and just sits there playing their default MOH configured in the app. Obviously we do lots of custom messages for callers who stay in queue, do I "have" to use a Studio VXML app to keep the call in queue once I go down this road of using CCB? Thanks, Bill.
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Control is passed temporarily from VoiceXML to a TCL application on the VoiceXML gateway. The handoff failure is because the the TCL applications haven't been configured on that gateway. Set them up as shown in the config guide and that error should be sorted.
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The reason CCB requires that all calls go through Callback_Enter_Queue is that it needs to know about every call in CCB-enabled queues in order to accurately estimate queue times. If there are any calls that it doesn't know about, the estimated wait time will be lower than expected and so callers will be called back too soon.
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Thank you Matthew, so for each queue that I use CCB with, I'll have to move
my queue "treatments" (messages, MOH, etc) into Studio apps is that how I'm
understanding this ? Has to stay in the Studio app to be tracked by the
CCB system....
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> CCB requires that all calls go through Callback_Enter_Queue is that it
> needs to know about every call in CCB-enabled queues in order to accurately
> estimate queue times. If there are any calls that it doesn't know about,
> the estimated wait time will be lower than expected and so callers will be
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Yes, put all your MOH and treatment into either the CallbackQueue app or the BillingQueue app. And if you have different treatment for different queues, then you'll probably want to modify the ICM script. Right now the ICM scrip uses SetVariable node to assign into the ToExtVxml array "qname=billing" - you'll want to change billing to your queue name. That way the CCB 'shadow' queues will more closely resemble your real queues. TheStudio app BillingQueue can check the Session data named 'qname' and play different MOH.
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Bill,
In CallbackEntry you can use the "qname" session var to read in what you set the value too in ICM. So if you have two Routing scripts say one for "Sales" and one for "Billing". You would set the "qname" in ICM to "Sales" and in CallbackEntry you can interogate tha value of "qname" and route to the corisponding "QueueDefaults" element. thus having multiple QueueDefaults elements but only one being used at a time based on the "qname"
See attached CCB CallbackEntry App Spec
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Hi Mark, long time no talk, good to see you here!! Finally got it working
tonight with standard PRIs which one group uses, other uses IB SIP which
I'm told is "acting like a CUBE" whatever the heck that means, time soon
will tell...IP originated doesn't work yet as well but tomorrow is a new
day of testing.
I've ventured deeper into the Studio apps and finally figured out what they
are doing and thank you, your advice and guidance worked well. Hate having
to use Studio to handle the queue treatment from now on, reminds me of IP
IVR days. Oh well, more work for me since nobody here knows Studio besides
me!
One question I'm hoping I can get answered is trunk reservation.... If we
"reserve" trunks with the "param ..." in the dial-peer, does IOS reserve
trunks for CCB purposes? Like if I reserve an entire PRI which is likely
the case given the call volume, does that essentially lock up a PRI for OB
usage? We reserve PRIs for inbound so that's not an issue, but for OB it
is. Worse case I can throw another PRI or two at CCB and reserve those for
CCB usage, just not sure how the trunk reservation works in IOS.
If you or anyone else has any thoughts I'd appreciate it. Cool feature how
they accomplished it I'll admit, but my CCB solution I wrote on 7.5 was a
whole lot easier using the OB dialer to hold the caller's place in queue
haha, didn't care about trunk type at all.
Thanks,
- Bill Westby
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> -------------------------------------------------------------- Bill,
> In CallbackEntry you can use the "qname" session var to read in
> what you set the value too in ICM. So if you have two Routing scripts say
> one for "Sales" and one for "Billing". You would set the "qname" in ICM to
> "Sales" and in CallbackEntry you can interogate tha value of "qname" and
> route to the corisponding "QueueDefaults" element. thus having multiple
> QueueDefaults elements but only one being used at a time based on the
> "qname"
> See attached CCB CallbackEntry App Spec
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Bill,
From what I can tell the system does not Reserve the outbound trunks, that perameter only serves as a Max Limit as to how many calls the system will make at any one time. You should set this based on the AVG number of Idel ports you have available for making CCB's. One other thing you may want to take into consideration, I noticed from the posts above that you have a few files in your Queue Loop, make sure the Keepalive Interval is set for longer than the total duration of your wav files in the application being used for the QueueApp.
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Bill,
The Trunk Param is used by survivability to determin how to throtle the CCB calls as to not consume too many trunks. In my architecture I'm actually sending the CCB leg out a different egress Voice gateway with ded PSTN-LD trunks and a ded IP-LD (CUBE) trunks. As you know we ingess voice across 6 different PSTN VG's and each are built to support CCB. We do not use the built in mechanisim to throtle CCB calls so we have set the trunks param to 200, in theory that would equal a total CCB concurrent request capacity of 1200 (200x6). But our throtle mechanism is our WFM team, they insure that outbound teams have been transitioned to Inbound to help bring down the queue, and CCB has subsequently been activated.
One other thing to note we route 40-60k calls a day, when we activate CCB during high queue times we get an adoption rate of 40-50%. Plan ahead, instute reporting for the CallBack application, and provide customer education prior to releasing CCB into the wild.
In other words the trunks are not reserved, if the CCB call fails to route, CVP will count it as a failed attempt and dispose of it as "no trunks avaliable" if i remember correctly. CCB Keeps track of all the requests for a specified VG and insures that the # of concurrent Callback Requests do not exceed the Trunks param value. You can see how this could get very complicated very fast.
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Is there a way to specifically block some nos and dnis patterns that prevent them from being offered CCB. I can definitely do it a scripting level. However wanted to see if it could be done before that.
Also how do you check the no of ccb calls queued in the system in ICM. I would like to check this vs the no of regular calls queued in the system.
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Mark Pareja has created a new message in the forum "General Discussion - All Versions": -------------------------------------------------------------- Bill,
The Trunk Param is used by survivability to determin how to throtle the CCB calls as to not consume too many trunks. In my architecture I'm actually sending the CCB leg out a different egress Voice gateway with ded PSTN-LD trunks and a ded IP-LD (CUBE) trunks. As you know we ingess voice across 6 different PSTN VG's and each are built to support CCB. We do not use the built in mechanisim to throtle CCB calls so we have set the trunks param to 200, in theory that would equal a total CCB concurrent request capacity of 1200 (200x6). But our throtle mechanism is our WFM team, they insure that outbound teams have been transitioned to Inbound to help bring down the queue, and CCB has subsequently been activated.
One other thing to note we route 40-60k calls a day, when we activate CCB during high queue times we get an adoption rate of 40-50%. Plan ahead, instute reporting for the CallBack application, and provide customer education prior to releasing CCB into the wild.
In other words the trunks are not reserved, if the CCB call fails to route, CVP will count it as a failed attempt and dispose of it as "no trunks avaliable" if i remember correctly. CCB Keeps track of all the requests for a specified VG and insures that the # of concurrent Callback Requests do not exceed the Trunks param value. You can see how this could get very complicated very fast.
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Cisco CCB = Time Delayed CallBack not Virtual Hold
Bucher and Suter have a real Virtual Hold solution that actually holds your place in line. Moving to evaluate thier offerings.
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Hemal,
Use a translation rule on the ingress VG and set the action to block on the dialpeer. This will generate a Network rejection to your upstream carrier for the numbers supplied.
http://www.cisco.com/en/US/tech/tk652/tk90/technologies_configuration_example09186a00803f818a.shtml#con11
There are some canned CVP reports for CCB that can be loaded into CUIC, you can always load up infomix db sdk and create a dsn and query the Reporting server DB yourself. CVP Reporting Guide
http://www.cisco.com/en/US/docs/voice_ip_comm/cust_contact/contact_center/customer_voice_portal/cvp9_0/configuration/guide/CCVP_BK_RB4BC4B7_00_reporting-guide-cisco-unified-cvp.pdf
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Thanks Mark. Let me check.
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Use a translation rule on the ingress VG and set the action to block on the dialpeer. This will generate a Network rejection to your upstream carrier for the numbers supplied.
http://www.cisco.com/en/US/tech/tk652/tk90/technologies_configuration_example09186a00803f818a.shtml#con11
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Mark,
Wouldn’t this reject the no period ? I want the no to come but just not be considered eligible for CCB, however can stay in queue and be connected to agent after waiting. I want to see if this could be done at VG level.
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Mark Pareja has created a new message in the forum "General Discussion - All Versions": -------------------------------------------------------------- Hemal,
Use a translation rule on the ingress VG and set the action to block on the dialpeer. This will generate a Network rejection to your upstream carrier for the numbers supplied.
http://www.cisco.com/en/US/tech/tk652/tk90/technologies_configuration_example09186a00803f818a.shtml#con11
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Great info, thank you Mark!
-Bill.
On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 7:57 AM, Cisco Developer Community Forums <
cdicuser@developer.cisco.com> wrote:
> Mark Pareja has created a new message in the forum "General Discussion -
> All Versions":
> -------------------------------------------------------------- Bill,
> The Trunk Param is used by survivability to determin how to throtle
> the CCB calls as to not consume too many trunks. In my architecture I'm
> actually sending the CCB leg out a different egress Voice gateway with ded
> PSTN-LD trunks and a ded IP-LD (CUBE) trunks. As you know we ingess voice
> across 6 different PSTN VG's and each are built to support CCB. We do not
> use the built in mechanisim to throtle CCB calls so we have set the trunks
> param to 200, in theory that would equal a total CCB concurrent request
> capacity of 1200 (200x6). But our throtle mechanism is our WFM team, they
> insure that outbound teams have been transitioned to Inbound to help bring
> down the queue, and CCB has subsequently been activated.
> One other thing to note we route 40-60k calls a day, when we activate
> CCB during high queue times we get an adoption rate of 40-50%. Plan ahead,
> instute reporting for the CallBack application, and provide customer
> education prior to releasing CCB into the wild.
> In other words the trunks are not reserved, if the CCB call fails to
> route, CVP will count it as a failed attempt and dispose of it as "no
> trunks avaliable" if i remember correctly. CCB Keeps track of all the
> requests for a specified VG and insures that the # of concurrent Callback
> Requests do not exceed the Trunks param value. You can see how this could
> get very complicated very fast.
> --
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Hemal,
In the ops console, you can set up which CCB phone numbers to allow and
which ones to disallow.
Just add it in there under System > Courtesy Callback.
To do that programmatically, you'd have to figure out where this info is
being stored.
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Cool.. I know there was something that could be set outside the script. This should be good. Do you know if internally this gets blocked at the CVP level ?
Thanks,
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In the ops console, you can set up which CCB phone numbers to allow and
which ones to disallow.
Just add it in there under System > Courtesy Callback.
To do that programmatically, you'd have to figure out where this info is
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All I know is that in the CallbackEntry app, the element named CallbackValid executes a ccb_servlet and comes back with element data specifying if the number is allowed to be called back. On 2/26/2013 12:09 PM, Cisco Developer Community Forums wrote: Hemal Mehta has created a new message in the forum "General Discussion - All Versions": -------------------------------------------------------------- Cool.. I know there was something that could be set outside the script. This should be good. Do you know if internally this gets blocked at the CVP level ? Thanks, Hemal From: Cisco Developer Community Forums [mailto:cdicuser@developer.cisco.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 12:55 PM To: cdicuser@developer.cisco.com Subject: New Message from Janine Graves in Customer Voice Portal (CVP) - General Discussion - All Versions: Re: New Message from Hemal Mehta in Customer Voice Portal (CVP) - General D Janine Graves has created a new message in the forum "General Discussion - All Versions": -------------------------------------------------------------- Hemal, In the ops console, you can set up which CCB phone numbers to allow and which ones to disallow. Just add it in there under System > Courtesy Callback. To do that programmatically, you'd have to figure out where this info is being stored. -- To respond to this post, please click the following link: http://developer.cisco.com/web/cvp/forums/-/message_boards/view_message/12404792 or simply reply to this email. -- To respond to this post, please click the following link: http://developer.cisco.com/web/cvp/forums/-/message_boards/view_message/12405235 or simply reply to this email. -- Janine Graves
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Hemal,
In the CallbackEntry app, after the element executes that determines if
the phone number is allowed to be called back or not, it's the app that
is branching and telling the caller that this is not a valid number to
callback. It's not the gateway blocking the call.
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